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OpenVMS Hobbyist Program | Hobbyists and OpenVMS | Introduction Forum
Author Teaching an Old Dog new tricks
drchrist68
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Posts: 8
Joined: 22.03.13
Posted on March 24 2013 01:05
Greetings from another VMS newb!

I'm a seasoned sysadmin having spent a couple decades managing Windows and various flavors of 'Nix. Most of my early computer training was on VAX/VMS and and IBM System/34 (SSP). The modern systems are wonderful and thankfully keep me employed, but I recall the older systems I learned on seemed to be so stable and reliable. Recently I've become interested in computing history and came looking for a way to revisit the past as sort of a hobby. Thus, I was pleased to learn of the OpenVMS Hobbyist program.

I'm currently running OpenVMS Alpha 8.4 on AlphaVM_Free on top of Debian 6. This is by far one of the most straightforward setups of any emulator I've used.

It has been a blast to learn so far, especially the process of smoothing out a few of the bumps along the way:

-License PAKs not loading properly; I ended up copying/pasting each command in its entirety into DCL in order to get the licenses registered. Only later did I discover that I needed to tweak my terminal emulation because it was mangling the file when I tried to execute it.

-Networking not starting at boot; found the proper line to un-comment in the startup file and all is well.

-New user cannot login via ssh because password is already expired; was able to login via telnet to change password, then ssh worked.

-X-forwarding works like a charm (ssh -Y), but need to recreate the X Authority file on the Alpha every time; still working on that one.

I like the fact that there is no need for constant updates to fix security issues. Once things are set and working, they just keep working. Now if only I can find some of my old FORTRAN programs from school and see if they run!

I find this forum is full of good information, hopefully I can contribute something valuable as well.

~David
Author RE: Teaching an Old Dog new tricks
Bruce Claremont
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Posts: 500
Joined: 07.01.10
Posted on March 24 2013 04:55
Welcome. Nice intro. Did you do any RPG on the S/34?
Author RE: Teaching an Old Dog new tricks
abrsvc
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Posts: 93
Joined: 12.03.10
Posted on March 24 2013 07:58
Welcome David,

Please note that if you do find the FORTRAN programs, they will likely run just fine. I still have some form the early days (VMS V1.5) that run without change on Alpha and Itanium. Even got Space Invaders running with VEST on the Alpha...

Dan
Author RE: Teaching an Old Dog new tricks
drchrist68
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Posts: 8
Joined: 22.03.13
Posted on March 24 2013 14:38
Thanks! I like the true backward-compatibility.

Bruce, I never did RPG on the S/34, just a bunch of FORTRAN, Pascal, Basic, plus sneaking in a game of Star Trek whenever the instructor wasn't looking. Also remember the green-text terminals that IBM referred to as "Two-Color" which were just green, and bright green. I always wondered how they got away with that one...
Author RE: This is going to be fun.
rdyess
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Posts: 2
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 21.07.13
Posted on July 21 2013 07:23
Hello David,

I think I'm going to enjoy this quite a bit. I share your interest in the older computers. I wrote Fortran programs for a CDC 1604 as a student at Texas Tech but don't think I could afford the electric bill even if I could find a working copy of the machine. I live in a apartment so my neighbors would also complain about the noise of the tape transports. LOL So I have decided instead to explore the wonderful world of VAX/VMS through an emulator. Should be fun, especially since my career is not in systems administration. Hopefully I'll learn something.

I'm with you on the terminal colors. I'm running a Mac with OS X v10.8 and still pick green text with black background for the Terminal app.

Anyway, welcome to the group.

Robert
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Author RE: Teaching an Old Dog new tricks
Burgess
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Posts: 1
Joined: 02.04.15
Posted on April 02 2015 00:41
The company I work for has several Alpha's and we recently purchased a lot of used gear for backups. Now running on two GS1280-8's and many ES40's. We will likely move 5-6 ES40 single CPU systems to emulation within a year. We run the same COBOL application on HP-


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Author RE: Teaching an Old Dog new tricks
abrsvc
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Posts: 93
Joined: 12.03.10
Posted on April 02 2015 01:39
I looked into emulation for my company at one time, but the cost was prohibitive. I found that purchasing spare hardware was far less expensive and built up wuite a collection of replacement hardware. 5 years later, I still have not needed any spares. These Alphas just keep on working. In 5 years, there have been 2 failures, both fans and easily replaced.

With Cobol applications, I would question whether or not "upgrading" to the Itanium would be cheaper in the short term and further upgrading to the x86 platform when VSI completes the port would be a better choice.

Dan
Author RE: Teaching an Old Dog new tricks
murraybay
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Posts: 13
Joined: 16.02.15
Posted on April 02 2015 13:16
abrsvc wrote:
I looked into emulation for my company at one time, but the cost was prohibitive. I found that purchasing spare hardware was far less expensive and built up wuite a collection of replacement hardware. 5 years later, I still have not needed any spares. These Alphas just keep on working. In 5 years, there have been 2 failures, both fans and easily replaced.

With Cobol applications, I would question whether or not "upgrading" to the Itanium would be cheaper in the short term and further upgrading to the x86 platform when VSI completes the port would be a better choice.

Dan


Yeah the Alpha's are pretty solid machines, well built. It's also still cheaper to buy a real Alpha then to buy the $4000+ emulators.smiley
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LouF91
April 05 2018
ah maybe they love that!

malmberg
March 24 2018
Probably. More people hang out on the comp.os.vms newsgroup.

vaxpert
March 23 2018
I have a PE42A and other Alpha system stuff for sale. I'm in So California. Any interest out there?

goodbyespy
February 27 2018
To Prohorenko. Please, visit group OpenVMS in the ok.ru

peteherrera
February 24 2018
How much does it cost to buy a complete OpenVMS hardcopy documentation set of the latest version

prohorenko
February 17 2018
Please help to obtain the license on OpenVMS

malmberg
December 12 2017
HPE only makes the most current version of OpenVMS Alpha / IA64 /VAX available to hobbyists. When I had access to the Alliance 1 program it was the same. No public downloads are allowed by HPE.

nmbonao
December 08 2017
Is anybody knows OpenVMS 8.2 version downloadable version? or CD copy? Thank you very much

aarommes
December 02 2017
Bitcoin and Blockchain enthusiasts ( plus distributed computing ) please connec / reply: http://www.openvmshobbyis
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malmberg
September 10 2017
https://sourceforge.net/p
/vms-ports/wiki/VMSInstal
lation/ For the most part just use VMS 6.1 media instead of 7.3. But why run the older release?


DoeveR
August 07 2017
Where can I find the write up on running VMS 6.1 using the simh emulator?

Bart
March 20 2017
Happy to have found my password again!

pintero
March 16 2017
peteherrera. Agreed.

peteherrera
March 04 2017
It would be nice to be able to buy the lastest hardcopy full OpenVMS docset at a very reduced price through the Hobbyist program. smiley

malmberg
February 05 2017
Decus > Connect > Encompass<Country>

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