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OpenVMS Hobbyist Program | Hobbyist Licensing | Alpha License PAK's
Author DecWindows
Lord Beckett
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Posted on March 08 2012 09:18
Could anyone point me to a good tutorial for installing DecWindows. I am running PersonalAlphaPlus. I know it does not have actual graphics hardware emulation, so I have been trying to use X Forwarding but it is giving me a hard time.

OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha. TCPIP is working, DNS isn't, SSH is working.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Edited by Lord Beckett on March 08 2012 09:23
Author RE: DecWindows
malmberg
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Posted on March 08 2012 15:29
SSH Tunneling is broken with HP TCPIP 5.7.

If you install the ECOs, then NFS mounting is broken.

There are two components to DecWindows, the base workstation/fonts and the MOTIF component in the DECWMotif layered product.

You will probably want to install the optional workstation components so that you can serve fonts to the system running X11.

There are sys$startupsmileyecw$*.template files that are used to customize the startup by using them to make ".COM" files. Of interest to you will probably be starting the font server.
Author RE: DecWindows
Lord Beckett
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Posted on March 08 2012 16:15
So in other words its broken and that's why it never seems to work. I guess since we're not allowed to access patches (cough) it wont be fixed until the next version release. Nice.smiley
Edited by Lord Beckett on March 08 2012 16:16
Author RE: DecWindows
saq
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Posted on March 08 2012 16:26
Get MultiNet or TCPWare from Process Software and give those a try.
Author RE: DecWindows
Lord Beckett
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Posted on March 09 2012 05:05
I did connect to the Deathrow cluster's DecWindows from Xming in Windows 7. Its CDE 1.0, something's are broken, but I just wanted to verify that the X windowing software and Windows wasn't causing the issue. Got a multinet license. There FTP server seems to have issues because the connection keeps timing out.
Author RE: DecWindows
Lord Beckett
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Posted on March 12 2012 23:38
Used the OpenVMS FTP client and the download worked. Its extracting now, for some reason Windows does not like that file.
Edited by Lord Beckett on March 13 2012 00:03
Author RE: DecWindows
malmberg
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Posted on March 13 2012 03:03
Downloads to/from non-vms systems require that you set the type to "BINARY" or "TEXT" properly to keep the file from being mangled. Many Windows tools use the file extension to determine how to transfer by default.

VMS systems can sometimes detect each other via FTP and then auto-select the data type to transfer.
Author RE: DecWindows
Lord Beckett
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Posted on March 13 2012 06:02
malmberg wrote:
Downloads to/from non-vms systems require that you set the type to "BINARY" or "TEXT" properly to keep the file from being mangled. Many Windows tools use the file extension to determine how to transfer by default.

VMS systems can sometimes detect each other via FTP and then auto-select the data type to transfer.


OK thanks for the helpful advice smiley
Author RE: DecWindows
Lord Beckett
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Posted on March 14 2012 13:58
Ok amazingly after much wrath, i finally got the multinet ssh server to work, got on, got xforwarding to work, the DecWindows login screen comes up on Xming but when i try to login it just goes back to the login screen?

Update:

I did get the DecWindows clock to show up seperately in Xming.
Edited by Lord Beckett on March 14 2012 15:59
Author RE: DecWindows
abrsvc
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Posted on March 15 2012 01:16
Verify that the account that you are using has the proper access. I don't recall whether or not the DECWindows access is counted as a "network" connection or not. If it is and your account does not allow network connections, the login will fail and result in the logon screen showing up again. Use Authorize to verify.

Dan
Author RE: DecWindows
malmberg
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Posted on March 15 2012 03:08
When accessing DecWindows from other than the local VMS workstation, you do not want to go through the login screen, instead you want to launch vue$master as FileView/FileVue (Default Configuration). The vue$master program can easily have its menus customized.
Do not select use FileVue as session manager, that will mess things up and you will have to edit the configuration files for your login session to fix.

When you go through the remote login to DecWindows on VMS, two bad things happen:

1. You get the remote VMS window manager instead of your local one, and that slows things down while increasing the load on everything.

2. When you log out from any remote VMS host, it sends a signal to your X-11 server program to reset and shutdown all X11 sessions, both locally and to other remote hosts. Some X-11 Servers can be configured to ignore that request.

You will probably need to configure the VMS system to start the font daemon, by default it is not started. And then configure your X11 server to use that font daemon.

Other than that, I do not know why the login screen is failing. You might want to turn on image accounting and check the various accounting and operator logs to see what is going on.
Author RE: DecWindows
Lord Beckett
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Posted on March 15 2012 11:55
malmberg wrote:
When accessing DecWindows from other than the local VMS workstation, you do not want to go through the login screen, instead you want to launch vue$master as FileView/FileVue (Default Configuration). The vue$master program can easily have its menus customized.
Do not select use FileVue as session manager, that will mess things up and you will have to edit the configuration files for your login session to fix.

When you go through the remote login to DecWindows on VMS, two bad things happen:

1. You get the remote VMS window manager instead of your local one, and that slows things down while increasing the load on everything.

2. When you log out from any remote VMS host, it sends a signal to your X-11 server program to reset and shutdown all X11 sessions, both locally and to other remote hosts. Some X-11 Servers can be configured to ignore that request.

You will probably need to configure the VMS system to start the font daemon, by default it is not started. And then configure your X11 server to use that font daemon.

Other than that, I do not know why the login screen is failing. You might want to turn on image accounting and check the various accounting and operator logs to see what is going on.


I actually got the ViewMaster thing working, currently playing with the configuration smiley

Perhaps this is a stupid question but how do I get it as such?


Update:

Ok, I was messing around in VueMaster, found the CDE exe files. It kept telling me It couldn't find the device wsa2, so I looked in the Xming server logs and found it was blocking connections. So I googled that and found that one had to add '-ac' to the shortcut, and after that I loaded cdesession.exe and I got a full desktop. smiley

Although MCR DECW$STARTLOGIN is refusing to work at all now
Edited by Lord Beckett on March 15 2012 15:09
Author RE: DecWindows
malmberg
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Posted on March 16 2012 03:11
If you got the desktop that you want, you are in. I would not worry about the login, as you had to authenticate in order to launch the applications.

The login process would probably switch you to the remote window manager.
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