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Author $set password fails with %RMS-F-DEV
tchden
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Posted on September 20 2010 09:26
Hi all,

This is the first I've seen this...any ideas?

ALOE$ set pass
Old password:
New password:
Verification:
%RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation

This is OpenVMS 7.1

My first thought was a hosed logical name to SYSUAF, RIGHTSLIST, NETPROXY or NET$PROXY, but the logical names seem fine as well as the files.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

Linda
Author RE: $set password fails with %RMS-F-DEV
imiller
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Posted on October 11 2010 01:17
Is login directory valid?

What about the login.com or system wide login.com ?
http://www.encompasserve.org/~miller/
Author RE: $set password fails with %RMS-F-DEV
tchden
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Posted on October 11 2010 09:33
The user's login.com & sylogin.com is behaving normally.
Author RE: $set password fails with %RMS-F-DEV
malmberg
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Posted on October 13 2010 02:18
Not being able to see your system or know your experience level, I need to ask:

Did you verify that the logical names are in exec mode?

Did you verify that any logical names for the disks referenced by the above logical names is also in exec mode?
Author RE: $set password fails with %RMS-F-DEV
tchden
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Posted on October 13 2010 10:54
Malmberg,

Here are the logical names:

ALOE$ sho log/full sysuaf
"SYSUAF" [exec] = "DSA8:[SYSEXE]SYSUAF.DAT" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
ALOE$ sho log/full rightslist
"RIGHTSLIST" [exec] = "DSA8:[SYSEXE]RIGHTSLIST.DAT" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
ALOE$ sho log/full netproxy
"NETPROXY" [exec] = "DSA8:[SYSEXE]NETPROXY.DAT" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
ALOE$ sho log/full net$proxy
"NET$PROXY" [exec] = "DSA8:[SYSEXE]NET$PROXY.DAT" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
Author RE: $set password fails with %RMS-F-DEV
malmberg
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Posted on October 14 2010 02:03
What is: show log/full dsa8:

Is this an issue with all usernames, or just some usernames?

Also a show device dsa0: may show an answer.

Is DSA8 full or otherwise write locked?

If you have this issue on a privileged account, using the SET WATCH command may provide some answers.

Author RE: $set password fails with %RMS-F-DEV
SYSMGR
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Posted on October 15 2010 07:53
Looks to me that DSA8: is not properly defined: RMS doestn't recofnize DSA8 to be a device. SHOW DEVICE DSA8 will render an error as well. SHO LOG DSA8 will tell what's wrong.
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Author RE: $set password fails with %RMS-F-DEV
tchden
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Posted on October 15 2010 09:57
DSA8 is not a logical name - never has been. It's a 2-member disk shadow set with ~295,000 free blocks.

ALOE$ sho dev/full dsa8:

Disk DSA8:, device type MSCP served SCSI disk, is online, mounted, file-oriented
device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled.

Error count 0 Operations completed 71073
Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM]
Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W
Reference count 12 Default buffer size 512
Total blocks 4109470 Sectors per track 85
Total cylinders 3022 Tracks per cylinder 16

Volume label "UserShadow01" Relative volume number 0
Cluster size 4 Transaction count 18
Free blocks 295472 Maximum files allowed 410947
Extend quantity 5 Mount count 1
Mount status System Cache name "_DSA50:XQPCACHE"
Extent cache size 64 Maximum blocks in extent cache 29547
File ID cache size 64 Blocks currently in extent cache 608
Quota cache size 0 Maximum buffers in FCP cache 3018
Volume owner UIC [1,1] Vol Prot S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCD

Volume Status: subject to mount verification, do not unload on dismount,
write-back caching enabled.

Disk $1$DUA521:, device type MSCP served SCSI disk, is online, member of shadow
set DSA8:, error logging is enabled.

Error count 0 Shadow member operation count 54363
Host name "HSJ004" Host type, avail HSJ4, yes
Alternate host name "HSJ005" Alt. type, avail HSJ4, yes
Allocation class 1

Disk $1$DUA541:, device type MSCP served SCSI disk, is online, member of shadow
set DSA8:, error logging is enabled.

Error count 0 Shadow member operation count 54360
Host name "HSJ004" Host type, avail HSJ4, yes
Alternate host name "HSJ005" Alt. type, avail HSJ4, yes
Allocation class 1

ALOE$

My system disk is DSA50:

ALOE$ sho dev dsa50

Device Device Error Volume Free Trans Mnt
Name Status Count Label Blocks Count Cnt
DSA50: Mounted 0 ALPHASYS 5340231 686 1
$1$DUA130: (HSJ000) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA50smiley
$1$DUA140: (HSJ000) ShadowSetMember 0 (member of DSA50smiley

Since this node is being maintained for legacy data, there is not a lot of user activity. However, I believe all accounts would experience this problem. My personal account with SETPRV, receives the error. The work around is to reset account passwords via AUTHORIZE.
Author RE: $set password fails with %RMS-F-DEV
malmberg
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Posted on October 19 2010 02:12
The undocumented SET WATCH can be used to get more details of what is happening.

http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/506
Author RE: $set password fails with %RMS-F-DEV
abrsvc
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Posted on October 20 2010 01:56
Having SETPRV itself is not relevant here. Try adding SYSPRV (set proc/priv=sysprv) and try to set your password. Continue to add privs until it works. Assuming that you get it to work by addings privs to your account, the last one added should provide you with a hint as to the root problem.

Let us know what you find.

Dan
Author RE: $set password fails with %RMS-F-DEV
tchden
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Posted on October 20 2010 07:26
Privileges on the account make no difference. I should have been clearer in earlier post - I have SETPRV on my account and with "SET PROC/PRIV=ALL", I am unable to change my password from the command line.

I forgot about SET WATCH...here's the output:

Old password: 0, Access SYSUAF.DAT;1 (9445,152,0) Status: 00000001
New password:
Verification:
%XQP, Thread #0, FIB contents:
00040000 00000000 0F880000 00000003 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 01030000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
%XQP, Thread #0, FIB contents:
00040000 00000000 0F880000 00000003 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 01030000 00000000 00000001 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
%XQP, Thread #0, Volume protection: Access requested: 00000001, Status: 00000001
, PrvUsd: 00000000
%XQP, Thread #0, File protection (3976,3,0): Access requested: 00000004, Status:
00000001, PrvUsd: 00000000
%XQP, Thread #0, Read only directory access (3976,3,0)
%XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: VMS$PASSWORD_DICTIONARY.DATA;0, Status: 000
00000
%XQP, Thread #0, Access (0,0,0) Status: 00000910
%XQP, Thread #0, FIB contents:
00040000 00000000 06420000 00000001 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 01030000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
%XQP, Thread #0, FIB contents:
00040000 00000000 06420000 00000001 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 01030000 00000000 00000001 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
%XQP, Thread #0, Volume protection: Access requested: 00000001, Status: 00000001
, PrvUsd: 00000000
%XQP, Thread #0, File protection (1602,1,0): Access requested: 00000004, Status:
00000001, PrvUsd: 00000000
%XQP, Thread #0, Read only directory access (1602,1,0)
%XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: VMS$PASSWORD_DICTIONARY.DATA;0, Status: 000
00001
%XQP, Thread #0, File protection (1873,2,0): Access requested: 00000001, Status:
00000001, PrvUsd: 00000000
%XQP, Thread #0, Read attributes: Access mode VMS$PASSWORD_DICTIONARY.DATA;1 (18
73,2,0)
%XQP, Thread #0, Read attributes: Access mode VMS$PASSWORD_DICTIONARY.DATA;1 (18
73,2,0)
%XQP, Thread #0, Read attributes: Journal flags VMS$PASSWORD_DICTIONARY.DATA;1 (
1873,2,0)
%XQP, Thread #0, Read attributes: RU active VMS$PASSWORD_DICTIONARY.DATA;1 (1873
,2,0)
%XQP, Thread #0, Read attributes: Statistics block VMS$PASSWORD_DICTIONARY.DATA;
1 (1873,2,0)
%XQP, Thread #0, Read attributes: Find ACE by type VMS$PASSWORD_DICTIONARY.DATA;
1 (1873,2,0)
%XQP, Thread #0, Read attributes: Record attributes VMS$PASSWORD_DICTIONARY.DATA
;1 (1873,2,0)
%XQP, Thread #0, Read attributes: User file characteristics VMS$PASSWORD_DICTION
ARY.DATA;1 (1873,2,0)
%XQP, Thread #0, Access VMS$PASSWORD_DICTIONARY.DATA;1 (1873,2,0) Status: 000000
01
%XQP, Thread #0, FIB contents:
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 00030000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
%XQP, Thread #0, FIB contents:
00000000 00020751 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 00030000 00000000 00000001 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
%XQP, Thread #0, Deaccess (1873,2,0) Reads: 3, Writes: 0, Status: 00000001
%XQP, Thread #0, FIB contents:
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 00030000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
%XQP, Thread #0, FIB contents:
00000000 009824E5 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 00030000 00000000 00000001 00000000 00000000
00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
%XQP, Thread #0, Write attributes: Record attributes SYSUAF.DAT;1 (9445,152,0)
%XQP, Thread #0, Deaccess (9445,152,0) Reads: 5, Writes: 0, Status: 00000001
%RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation
ALOE$

Thank you to everyone with their suggestions to resolve this.

Linda
Author RE: $set password fails with %RMS-F-DEV
tchden
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Joined: 20.09.10
Posted on October 20 2010 08:47
I found the problem!!! The only file I didn't check was the password history file.

Years ago, this cluster was a MI-cluster. The VAXes were retired, but the VAX system disk remained. For whatever reason the password history and directory file were never migrated to the AXP system disk.

ALOE$ sho log vms$password_history
"VMS$PASSWORD_HISTORY" = "DSA0:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]VMS$PASSWORD_HISTORY.DATA"
(LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
ALOE$ sho dev dsa0:
%SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available
ALOE$
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