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Author Login DECServer 90TL from LAT
rattila
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Posts: 54
Location: Budapest
Joined: 11.08.17
Posted on October 09 2017 09:40
Hi,

Can I login a DECterm terminal server by LAT protocol? For configuring it.
I can't see service name for terminal server itself when I use LAT service list.
Is that possible?
Now I use IP for this function.
I read command for VMS and Ultrix but I use llogin <service_name> from Linux.

TIA,
Edited by malmberg on October 16 2017 03:36
Author RE: Login DECterm 90TL from LAT
malmberg
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Posts: 464
Joined: 15.04.08
Posted on October 10 2017 03:03
For older VMS versions, the LAT protocol could be used for X11.

I am pretty sure that feature got dropped with the last DECWindows update.

The DECWindows Server needs to have LAT protocol enabled on it for it to work on supported versions.

A terminal server usually refers to an appliance that converts serial or parallel device either LAT and/or TCPIP and has nothing to do with X11.
Author RE: Login DECterm 90TL from LAT
Bruce Claremont
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Posts: 505
Joined: 07.01.10
Posted on October 11 2017 02:14
I forget where I clipped this from:

DECserver Info

Default Login: ACCESS
Privileged Login: SYSTEM

DECserver software locations:

- Single System: SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]
- Cluster: SYS$COMMON:[DECSERVER]

Maintenance Utility:

- DSVCONFIG.COM (i.e. SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]DSVCONFIG.COM)

DECserver 200 Load File: PR0801ENG.SYS


@SYS$COMMON:[DECSERVER]DSVCONFIG SET_CIRCUIT service-circuit-ID

To connect to the server with RCF, use the CONNECT NODE command. On the
command line, specify either the DECnet node name or DECnet node address
of the server. This example shows a connection to the server named BEETHO:

$ MCR NCP
NCP> CONNECT NODE BEETHO
Console connected (press CTRL/D when finished)

or

NCP> CONNECT NODE 28.1002 SERVICE PASSWORD 0F23
Console connected (press CTRL/D when finished)

Press the RETURN key to start the log-in sequence for the remote console.
Log-in password protection is enabled for the the DECserver 200 remote
console port. Therefore, you must supply the log-in password when the
server prompts you with a pound sign (#), as shown below (an audible beep
signal accompanies the prompt). The default password is ACCESS.

#

The prompt indicates that the link to the server has been made. After you
enter the correct password, you can begin using DECserver 200 commands.

You can also use the CONNECT command with the server's Ethernet address.
The following example shows a connection from a VMS system with the service
circuit-ID UNA-0 to a server with the Ethernet address 08-00-2B-04-AA-2B:

NCP> CONNECT VIA UNA-0 PHYSICAL ADD 08-00-2B-04-AA-2B

You may have to specify the service password with the CONNECT command if a
maintenance password is specified on the server. To do so, include the
SERVICE PASSWORD keywords on your command line and specify the password.

To exit from RCF, type: CTRL/D:

Local> CTRL/D <RETURN>

To exit from NCP, type EXIT:

NCP> EXIT <RETURN>

$
Note

If you log out from the server with a LOGOUT
command, the port is logged out but the remote
console session remains active. Type to exit the
remote console session.

The service node prompt reappears, and control passes back to NCP on your
VMS system. See the DECserver 200 Management Guide for detailed
information on RCF.
Author RE: Login DECterm 90TL from LAT
malmberg
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Posted on October 12 2017 03:29
OpenVMS installs with LAT disabled. You need to configure it to be on.

Some models of DEC branded terminal servers support IP connections and LAT. Some only LAT.

If you are using a terminal server, try to find a copy of TSM as a layered product. I do not think it is in the hobbyist distribution. There are some freeware alternatives in the DECUS archives.

Some of the instructions above won't work as they need some sort of DECServer software installed.

I do not have time to go in to more detail, but you can go to the VMSPORTS WIKI and look at the VAX/VMS installation page. The LAT startup procedures documented there should work for Alpha and Itanium.
Author RE: Login DECterm 90TL from LAT
rattila
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Posts: 54
Location: Budapest
Joined: 11.08.17
Posted on October 15 2017 22:14
I just need one answer: Can I connect to a LAT capable DECterm device by only LAT for configuration.
Without TSM or any other VMS specific software.
I've got a Linux machine with LAT protocol installed.
I can use DECterm services but I want to configure it.

I checked the doc of DECterm and no info about a simple LAT connection to terminal server.

TIA,
Author RE: Login DECserver 90TL from LAT
malmberg
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Posted on October 16 2017 03:35
As far as I know, the answer is NO. You have to use connect to it via a maintenance protocol that is part of the OpenVMS DECNET stack, or use the console port on the DECserver.

Since the 90TL supports TCP/IP, it may support a TCP/IP console connection.

MOP for Linux might be of use.

The console port is first terminal port by default. There should be a ritual to factory default the DecSERVER.

DECterms are X11 software devices and have nothing to do with LAT terminal servers. Please stop using that term with terminal servers, is only confuses the issue.

TSM is not needed for LAT, It is useful for configuring and backing up Terminal Servers. On one of the DECUS CD images I have my personal updates that extend it to fully backup Digital DecServers and some Lantronix decservers.

The DECServer 90 family generally has firmware in non-volatile ram which will allow it to work with out a boot host. However that may not be the latest firmware. Digital sold the DECTerm line to another company which is now known as Vnettek Communications according to Wikipedia.

Older terminal servers needed a boot host with MOP for them to download firmware from on every boot, The software referenced in the earlier post is what supplied the firmware.

The first thing you must do on a terminal server is rename the firmware image it is requesting to boot m to be one that indicates the version, and do the same on the firmware boot server. Contrary to the DECserver documentation, registration of DECservers with the boot host is not required, and is in fact totally ignored for the download. The DECserver wlll accept a download from the first host that answers the request, even if it is an older version of the firmware. The only way to ensure the correct firmware is downloaded is to rename the firmware image name. This may or may not be needed with the model 90TL.

As far as I know the 90TL will first use the built in firmware, but will also request a download of newer firmware when it boots. But it has been a while, so my memory may be wrong on that.
Edited by malmberg on October 16 2017 03:37
Author RE: Login DECServer 90TL from LAT
Bruce Claremont
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Posted on October 16 2017 03:37
I don't think so. You need the equivalent of LANCP to talk to the DECserver.

You should be able to directly connect to a port on the DECserver using a serial terminal or equivalent (PuTTY) and configure it directly.
Author RE: Login DECServer 90TL from LAT
Bruce Claremont
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Posts: 505
Joined: 07.01.10
Posted on October 16 2017 03:39
Tru64 UNIX on FreeAXP might be an alternative. It should have the tools to support DECservers in a UNIX environment.
Author RE: Login DECServer 90TL from LAT
malmberg
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Joined: 15.04.08
Posted on October 16 2017 14:13
LANCP is an the new alternative for using DECNET Phase-IV commands to connect to a MOP console.

While DECNET Phase IV is optional, LANCP is now built-in.

If the mop for linux is a complete port, it should be able to connect to the DECserver.

#1 myth about decservers:
They need to be configured in lancp or decnet database to be used. -FALSE-

LANCP> CONNECT NODE 08-00-2B-11-22-33/DEVICE=EWA0

That should connect you to the decserver.

I would need to do a search on the wild wild web on how to reset a 90tl to factory default and what the default username/password is.
Author RE: Login DECServer 90TL from LAT
rattila
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Posts: 54
Location: Budapest
Joined: 11.08.17
Posted on October 17 2017 08:15
Hi,

Sorry for my wrong terminology usage! I mixed DECterm and DECserver. Of course I wanted to mention DECserver. :-(

If I've got enough time tomorrow I try to install MOP from an old deb package.
Today I disassembled a DEC PW 433au to very small parts because after I removed the motherboard and changed the CMOS battery when I pushed back the machine switched off alway automatically and magically. The SCSI disappeared etc ... So now the machine is on my desktop without chassis and now it is working except the UTP port (BNC is working).
I installed a NetBSD from ATAPI CD drive to an ATAPI HDD.
The motherboard place in the chassis is terrible and I don't know how will it be reassemble again.

I got a QLogic 1040B SCSI card which was detected by SRM and that's all. No drives was detected on the SCSI bus! :-(

So now I'm a little bit further from the DECserver LAT protocol.

Tomorrow I'll clean the diassembled parts and try put them in the chassis again. It will be a hard work ...
Author RE: Login DECServer 90TL from LAT
rattila
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Posts: 54
Location: Budapest
Joined: 11.08.17
Posted on October 17 2017 08:22
Some pictures from disassembled parts.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/4SG9JuFnBUdDmHvG3
Edited by rattila on October 17 2017 08:24
Author RE: Login DECServer 90TL from LAT
rattila
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Posts: 54
Location: Budapest
Joined: 11.08.17
Posted on October 17 2017 08:34
MOP in Linux:

This daemon services load requests on one or all Ethernet interfaces using
the DEC Maintenance Operations Protocol. Normally, a filename (uppercase
and ending in .SYS) is included in the load request; this is looked for in
/tftpboot/mop by default and may be used as a netboot image.

I don't think I can use it connecting to my DECserver.
It is a simple TFTPd server I think serving files for example MNENG1.SYS to 90TL.

TIA,
Author RE: Login DECServer 90TL from LAT
malmberg
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Posted on October 18 2017 02:44
MOP is not TFTP. The transfer is similar, but they are totally different protocols.

If MOP on Linux is missing the console connection, then the port is incomplete.

It looks like you need to find a manual for the 90TL.

With a running VMS system, you should be able to get to the management console over MOP.

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