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Author Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
jymeuric
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Posted on July 06 2019 00:10
Hello,

I am new to FREEAXP. I have installed many versions from the last (3.0.0.620) to the versions before (2.6.1.560).
Everything seem to work, but when I try lo install OPENVMS, no success:
I try to boot from the distrib (8.4), it starts :

(boot dka100.1.0.6.0 -flags 0)
block 0 of dka100.1.0.6.0 is a valid boot block
reading 1230 blocks from dka100.1.0.6.0
bootstrap code read in
base = 1f2000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 99c00
initializing HWRPB at 2000
initializing page table at 1e4000
initializing machine state
setting affinity to the primary CPU
jumping to bootstrap code

then nothing happens. the window process takes 25% CPU (1 of the 4 cores).

I tried from a CD distrib and from an .ISO file, same result.

Has anyone an idea of what to do ?

Thanks in advance.

Jean-Yves
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
Bruce Claremont
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Posted on July 06 2019 01:40
Have successfully installed VMS 8.4 and 8.4.2-L2 under FreeAXP. Post the Avanti log file.
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
jymeuric
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Posted on July 06 2019 02:32
Thanks for your support . FYI I am running Windows 10

Here is the log file:
FreeAXP Virtual Alpha x64 version 2.6.4.595 (Jan 18 2016 11:47:39)

Windows workstation version 6.2 SP 0.0, build 9200 () suite 100 (WMI Name: Microsoft Windows 10 Professionnel|C:\WINDOWS|\Device\Harddisk0\Partition2)
4 processor cores of family 2a, stepping 07 (WMI Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500 CPU @ 3.30GHz)
File opened at 2019-07-06 12:31:17

%XNV-I-RESTST: NVRAM restored from H:\FreeAXP\alpha.nvr
00005.71: serial0: 16777216 byte buffer, served in 10 byte chunks with a 10 ms delay.
00005.71: serial1: 16777216 byte buffer, served in 10 byte chunks with a 10 ms delay.
00005.71: DFL-I-MOUNT: cp(control).alpha(alpha (AS400)).pcibus(dc21071da).pci6(symbios).disk0.0(file): Mounted file H:\FreeAXP\0.img, handle 00000000000002F0, 8380080 512-byte blocks, 180/226/206 as DEC RZ29 0014 SRL0000.
00005.71: DFL-I-MOUNT: cp(control).alpha(alpha (AS400)).pcibus(dc21071da).pci6(symbios).disk0.1(file): Mounted file F:\Informatique\Digital\VMS\ALPHA084.ISO, handle 00000000000002FC, 1349004 512-byte blocks, 1423/237/4 as DEC RZ58 2000 SRL0101.
00005.71: ===== Configuration file starts =====
00005.71: // Migration Specialties Avanti/FreeAXP configuration file created at 2019-07-06 11:26:39

00005.71: cp = control
00005.71: {
00005.71: cp_log = logfile
00005.71: {
00005.71: filename = "H:\FreeAXP\alpha.log";
00005.71: versions = 3;
00005.71: }
00005.71: alpha = alpha
00005.71: {
00005.71: image = "H:\FreeAXP\alpha.nvr";
00005.71: jit_level = 0;
00005.71: pcibus = dc21071da
00005.71: {
00005.71: data = "H:\FreeAXP\alpha.toy";
00005.71: serial0 = i16550
00005.71: {
00005.71: s0_tn = telnet
00005.71: {
00005.71: port = 23;
00005.71: action = """C:\Program Files\Common Files\MigrationSpecialties Shared\putty.exe"" telnet://127.0.0.1:9000";
00005.71: }
00005.71: }
00005.71: serial1 = i16550
00005.71: {
00005.71: tn = telnet
00005.71: {
00005.71: port = 24;
00005.71: action = """C:\Program Files\Common Files\MigrationSpecialties Shared\putty.exe"" telnet://127.0.0.1:24";
00005.71: }
00005.71: }
00005.71: pci6 = symbios
00005.71: {
00005.71: disk0.0 = file
00005.71: {
00005.71: vendor = "DEC";
00005.71: model_num = "RZ29";
00005.71: rev_num = "0014";
00005.71: image = "H:\FreeAXP\0.img";
00005.71: autocreate_size = 4290600960;
00005.71: }
00005.71: disk0.1 = file
00005.71: {
00005.71: image = "F:\Informatique\Digital\VMS\ALPHA084.ISO";
00005.71: }
00005.71: }
00005.71: pci7 = i82378
00005.71: {
00005.71: }
00005.71: pci11 = de435
00005.71: {
00005.71: adapter = "Ethernet";
00005.71: }
00005.71: }
00005.71: }
00005.71: }

00005.71: ===== Configuration file ends =====
00005.71: PDB-I-INIT: Initialized new process database; cores: 4 (f)
00005.71: PDB-I-REGR: Will try to register as process 0
00005.71: All conditions met, will register as process 0 (PID 2470)
00005.71: PID Key/Emulator Units Cores
00005.71: Key + Base 0 f
00005.71: >> 0 00002470 FREEAXP alpha 0 4 (started 0 sec. ago, last check 0 sec. ago) <<
00005.71: Available 0 b

00005.71: XTI-W-NOREST: cp(control).alpha(alpha (AS400)).pcibus(dc21071da).toy(bq3287): TOY could not be restored from H:\FreeAXP\alpha.toy
00005.71: Actor framework started with 9 thread(s)
00005.71: CTS-I-NEWSESS: New session on cp(control).alpha(alpha (AS400)).pcibus(dc21071da).serial1(i16550) from IP address 127.0.0.1
00005.74: Cache size set to 2022MB.
00005.74: AC4-I-DECOMP: Decompressing ROM image... done.
00006.35: AC4-I-PATCHROM: Patching ROM for speed.
00006.38: Windows timer resolution: 1277952 near-nanoseconds
00006.38: CPU speed factor: 2.02
00006.38: Timing window factor: 1.000
00006.38: Effective timer resolution: 1280000 near-nanoseconds
00006.38: Inner loop maximum: 201
00006.38: Outer loop maximum: 1000000
00006.38: Timer increments: 40319
00006.38: AXP-I-CPUSTRT: cp(control).alpha(alpha (AS400)).cpu0(EV4): CPU Starting


Jean-Yves
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
jymeuric
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Posted on July 06 2019 03:28
This the log file with the last FREEAXP version :


FreeAXP Virtual Alpha x64 version 3.0.0.620 (Jul 23 2018 12:02:52)

Windows workstation version 6.2 SP 0.0, build 9200 () suite 100 (WMI Name: Microsoft Windows 10 Professionnel|C:\WINDOWS|\Device\Harddisk0\Partition2)
4 processor cores of family 2a, stepping 07 (WMI Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500 CPU @ 3.30GHz)
File opened at 2019-07-06 15:24:58

%XNV-I-RESTST: NVRAM restored from H:\FreeAXP\alpha.nvr
20190706152503.724: serial0: 16777216 byte buffer, served in 10 byte chunks with a 10 ms delay.
20190706152503.724: serial1: 16777216 byte buffer, served in 10 byte chunks with a 10 ms delay.
20190706152503.724: DFL-I-MOUNT: cp(control).alpha(alpha (AS400)).pcibus(dc21071da).pci6(symbios).disk0.0(file): Mounted file H:\FreeAXP\0.img, handle 0000000000000238, 8380080 512-byte blocks, 180/226/206 as DEC RZ29 0014 SRL0000.
20190706152503.725: DFL-I-MOUNT: cp(control).alpha(alpha (AS400)).pcibus(dc21071da).pci6(symbios).disk0.1(file): Mounted file F:\Informatique\Digital\VMS\ALPHA084.ISO, handle 00000000000002C4, 1349004 512-byte blocks, 1423/237/4 as DEC RZ58 2000 SRL0101.
20190706152503.725: ===== Configuration file starts =====
20190706152503.725: // Migration Specialties Avanti/FreeAXP configuration file created at 2019-07-06 11:26:39

20190706152503.725: cp = control
20190706152503.725: {
20190706152503.725: cp_log = logfile
20190706152503.725: {
20190706152503.725: filename = "H:\FreeAXP\alpha.log";
20190706152503.725: versions = 3;
20190706152503.725: }
20190706152503.725: alpha = alpha
20190706152503.725: {
20190706152503.725: image = "H:\FreeAXP\alpha.nvr";
20190706152503.725: jit_level = 0;
20190706152503.725: pcibus = dc21071da
20190706152503.725: {
20190706152503.725: data = "H:\FreeAXP\alpha.toy";
20190706152503.725: serial0 = i16550
20190706152503.725: {
20190706152503.725: s0_tn = telnet
20190706152503.725: {
20190706152503.725: port = 23;
20190706152503.725: action = """C:\Program Files\Common Files\MigrationSpecialties Shared\putty.exe"" telnet://127.0.0.1:9000";
20190706152503.725: }
20190706152503.725: }
20190706152503.725: serial1 = i16550
20190706152503.725: {
20190706152503.725: tn = telnet
20190706152503.725: {
20190706152503.725: port = 24;
20190706152503.725: action = """C:\Program Files\Common Files\MigrationSpecialties Shared\putty.exe"" telnet://127.0.0.1:24";
20190706152503.725: }
20190706152503.725: }
20190706152503.725: pci6 = symbios
20190706152503.725: {
20190706152503.725: disk0.0 = file
20190706152503.725: {
20190706152503.725: vendor = "DEC";
20190706152503.725: model_num = "RZ29";
20190706152503.725: rev_num = "0014";
20190706152503.725: image = "H:\FreeAXP\0.img";
20190706152503.725: autocreate_size = 4290600960;
20190706152503.725: }
20190706152503.725: disk0.1 = file
20190706152503.725: {
20190706152503.725: image = "F:\Informatique\Digital\VMS\ALPHA084.ISO";
20190706152503.725: }
20190706152503.725: }
20190706152503.725: pci7 = i82378
20190706152503.725: {
20190706152503.725: }
20190706152503.725: pci11 = de435
20190706152503.725: {
20190706152503.725: adapter = "Ethernet";
20190706152503.725: }
20190706152503.725: }
20190706152503.725: }
20190706152503.725: }

20190706152503.725: ===== Configuration file ends =====
20190706152503.725: PDB-I-INIT: Initialized new process database; cores: 4 (f)
20190706152503.725: PDB-I-REGR: Will try to register as process 0
20190706152503.725: All conditions met, will register as process 0 (PID 1ce4)
20190706152503.725: PID Key/Emulator Units Cores
20190706152503.726: Key + Base 0 f
20190706152503.726: >> 0 00001ce4 FREEAXP alpha 0 4 (started 0 sec. ago, last check 0 sec. ago) <<
20190706152503.726: Available 0 b

20190706152503.726: XTI-W-NOREST: cp(control).alpha(alpha (AS400)).pcibus(dc21071da).toy(bq3287): TOY could not be restored from H:\FreeAXP\alpha.toy
20190706152503.726: Actor framework started with 9 thread(s)
20190706152503.726: CTS-I-NEWSESS: New session on cp(control).alpha(alpha (AS400)).pcibus(dc21071da).serial1(i16550) from IP address 127.0.0.1
20190706152503.762: Cache size set to 2022MB.
20190706152503.762: AC4-I-DECOMP: Decompressing ROM image... done.
20190706152504.370: AC4-I-PATCHROM: Patching ROM for speed.
20190706152504.397: Windows timer resolution: 1266688 near-nanoseconds
20190706152504.397: CPU speed factor: 1.99
20190706152504.397: Timing window factor: 1.000
20190706152504.397: Effective timer resolution: 1280000 near-nanoseconds
20190706152504.397: Inner loop maximum: 198
20190706152504.397: Outer loop maximum: 1000000
20190706152504.397: Timer increments: 39740
20190706152504.397: AXP-I-CPUSTRT: cp(control).alpha(alpha (AS400)).cpu0(EV4): CPU Starting


Jean-Yves
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
Bruce Claremont
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Posted on July 07 2019 03:39
Have you installed any other versions of VMS?
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
jymeuric
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Posted on July 07 2019 05:42
No, it was my first try with FREEAXP.

I juste discovered VAX emulation some weeks ago (SIMH) and I was surprised that it worked !!!
So I'm also tried Alpha emulation with VMS.

FYI, I am an old DEC custumer since 1972 !!!
I started with PDP11 papertape system, DOS11, RT11, RSX11M
VAX 780, 8600, 6600, Decstations then those fantastic Alpha machines in the 90's
I still have a working VaxStation 4000 and an AlphaStation 900.

When I installed FreeAXP, I was happy in seeing that the CD was booting, but then hanging
without any message, just consuming 25% of the CPU without IO on my Windows 10 PC.

Jean-Yves
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
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Posted on July 07 2019 11:54
Maybe I did not pick exactly your question about VMS.
- If you mean "have I already installed VMS" my answer is : yes maybe a hundred times on VAX and Alpha machine.
- if you mean "have I tried to install another version on FreeAlpha": I have tried from a 8.4 Alpha CD and from an 8.4 ISO file. I can try an older CD version tomorrow. I have just to find it in my old stuff.
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
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Posted on July 07 2019 23:49
I restarted from zero. The difference I see between my old config file and the new one is that the old one declared a TTY 1 as active

I have loaded a VMS 8.4 and it runs.
I am now trying to make TCPIP work between my PC and VMS without success for the moment.

It seems also that VAX/SIMH and FREEAXP cannot work together.
Have you heard about that ?

Jean-Yves
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Posted on July 07 2019 23:58
It looks like the CD-ROM drive is mounted as though it was a regular disk rather than a CD-ROM drive:

20190706152503.725: DFL-I-MOUNT: cp(control).alpha(alpha (AS400)).pcibus(dc21071da).pci6(symbios).disk0.1(file): Mounted file F:\Informatique\Digital\VMS\ALPHA084.ISO, handle 00000000000002C4, 1349004 512-byte blocks, 1423/237/4 as DEC RZ58 2000 SRL0101.


The configuration file section for the CD-ROM drive is missing these two lines:

cdrom = true;
read_only = true;
http://sourceforge.net/projects/es40
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
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Posted on July 08 2019 01:48
Based on iamcamiel's post, make sure the CD-ROM box is checked next to the device name in the Config Utility. See page 31 in the User Guide.

SimH and FreeAXP can co-exisit. Use WinPCAP 4.1.2 and FreeAXP 598. There are known issues with WinPCAP 4.1.3, FreeAXP, and Windows 10.

If you are running FreeAXP and SimH on the same system, you are going to have network issues unless each emulator has its own NIC assignment. If you have a single NIC in the host system, you are going to have to fiddle with bridging and virtual NICs. This is covered in the FreeAXP User Guide.
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
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Posted on July 08 2019 11:52
Thanks Iamcamiel and Bruce.

I will restart from scratch with the FREEAXP 598.
I was planning to update my current WINPCAP 4.1.2 by 4.1.3, I understand it's better to forget that!

When I tried booting on a CD, the box was checked and it started reading the CD.
It's faster to read from an ISO file.

The coexistence between SIMH and FREEAXP is not a must for me, but I will try to make it work ... later because I'm going to go to the hospital to get a new helm !!!

Jean-Yves
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Posted on July 16 2019 23:04
Hi,

coming back home with a new helm !!!
I am still trying around the network communication between FREEAXP and the Windows 10-1809 host
(cannot ping between the 2 systems)
What is the best packet capture to install :
- winpcap 4.1.2
- winpcap 4.1.3
- xin10pcap
- npcap


Jean-Yves
Edited by jymeuric on July 16 2019 23:06
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
Bruce Claremont
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Posted on July 17 2019 02:29
npcap
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
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Posted on July 19 2019 00:30
HI, I am still trying around the NIC problem.
Here is what I have tried in the config utility :
1- Real physical NIC : I can ping all the adresses on the network except the host PC itself
2 NPCAP : no ping at all
3- NPCAP bridged with the physical NIC: no ping at all
4- AVANTI NIC (TAP Windows Adaptor V9) : no ping at all
5- AVANTI NIC (TAP Windows Adaptor V9) bridged with physical NIC : no ping at all

Any idea ?

Jean-Yves
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
Bruce Claremont
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Posted on July 19 2019 01:46
How many physical NICs does the host system have? Wired or wifi?
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
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Posted on July 19 2019 02:10
Run SimH/VAX in a Linux VM under VirtualBOX with 4 virtual NICs and an internal private network.

2 of the virtual NICs are bound to your physical network and 2 are bound to the internal private network.

Then you allocate the Linux VM one vNIC on each network, and dedicate 2 vNICs to SimH/VAX.

I used to run FreeAXP also in a Windows VM, but that requires a lot more hardware than I have available at this time.

But even native on Windows, I think you can configure A second VNIC in FreeAXP to map to the Virtual Box private network for access to the both the LInux VM and the SimH/VAX instance. I have not tried that.

I also do not know if FreeAXP when not in a VM can take advantage of the bridge that Virtual Box installs.
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
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Posted on July 19 2019 03:59
Bruce,

I have one Ethernet RJ45 NIC on my PC, no WIFI
Do you mean that having 1 WIFI port ( on USB ) could solve the problem ?
Edited by jymeuric on July 19 2019 05:26
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
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Posted on July 20 2019 02:54
A simple solution would be a wired USB NIC. Then disable IP services on the NIC you assign to Avanti. This will force Windows to use the other NIC and fix the host/emulator communications issue.
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
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Posted on July 30 2019 22:32
Hello Bruce,

If I understand I should :
- buy an USB to ethernet NIC
- no wired connection needed on that NIC
- assign that NIC to freeaxp
- disable all IP services on that NIC

is that correct ?

Jean-Yves
Edited by jymeuric on July 30 2019 23:18
Author RE: Cannot install OPENVMS 8.4 on FREEAXP
Bruce Claremont
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Posted on July 31 2019 01:28
Correct, except the USB to ethernet NIC is wired, not wireless.

Example: https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-USB-Ethernet-Network-Adapter/dp/B00M77HLII/ref=asc_df_B00M77HLII/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167126093426&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1683712121953543505&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9029131&hvtargid=pla-298072489859&psc=1
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